012 | [Voice]

[with_discipline]

H'Esh etek vi-esh-torong sa'le-esh-tor quel sochya. Ha kashek svi'ma kae quel sochya. Ma ak'shem, ma sikrus quel sochya. Ma katra, ma ves quel sochya.
The breath we draw in and release is peace. The thoughts in our minds are peace. Our body, our limbs are peace. Our spirit, our essence is peace.

I have found that meditation has been a great help in handling the visions and dreams that have become common lately. It is unnatural for Vulcans to dream after meditating; that has not stopped whatever is causing these particular visitations, but it has made them bearable. It is my theory that such mental focus would aid others who find themselves unsettled by this. If I may be helpful in some way in this regard, I can be found on level six, room eight.

[Private to Snape]

My apologies for our lack of interaction. [A short pause] If you are having difficulties, I will do what I can to help.

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[with_discipline]

Nor am I, but that has changed nothing.

The founder of Vulcan Logic. He brought saved Vulcan when it was on the brink of destruction, centuries ago.

Have some info pumping. He's trying to distract himself.

[subtlescience]

Vulcan logic? Explain.

[subtlescience]

Vulcan logic? Explain.

[with_discipline]

Vulcans live by the path Surak set out: emotions are suppressed in favor of logic. 'Dakh pthak. Nam-tor ri ret na'fan-kitok fa tu dakh pthak: Cast out fear. There is no room for anything else until you cast out fear.' Vulcan emotions can be dangerous.

[subtlescience]

You suppress your emotions without repercussions?

[with_discipline]

Repercussions come when we do not suppress them.

[subtlescience]

That seems counter-intuitive.

Why are vulcan emotions dangerous?

[with_discipline]

Hardly.

Before the Time of Awakening, Vulcans were a barbaric, paranoid, and rage-filled people. We were clannish, territorial, and nearly destroyed ourselves with wars by the time Surak brought peace. Logic brought us peace; in giving into emotions, we risk the violence of ages passed. Humans are - lucky, in your control of emotions.

His responses are coming fast - he's obviously trying to distract himself.

[subtlescience]

You were unable to control your emotions, and so you buried them?

Intriguing.

Did anything beneficial arise from this?

She said she'd help. :x

[with_discipline]

That is more or less what happened.

Peace. Vulcan has been without war for centuries, and has been a nonviolent power in the surrounding galaxies - though Earth, once it became warp-capable, has quickly made itself the voice of the area.

\o/

[subtlescience]

I meant in a long-term sense. Peace is often fleeting; when a civilization finds peace within itself, it wars externally.

What benefits has your race had?

[with_discipline]

That is not so. Peace brings many benefits. In past years, the High Council had corrupted Surak's teachings - but finding that the Kir'Shara existed helped to disband the council and set Vulcans on the proper path again. Despite such corruption, Vulcans are taught to be a nonviolent people. When I was a child, I attended a lecture in which the speaker compared Surak to Ghandi of India. Where Vulcan was ready for peace, however, Earth was not.

[subtlescience]

You're either avoiding my question or I'm not asking properly what I wish to know, and I'm-

I'm in no condition to tell which.

[with_discipline]

[After a short pause] Have you have ever meditated before?

[subtlescience]

Why?

[with_discipline]

You may find it beneficial.

And then perhaps you will be able to properly voice what you wish to ask.

[subtlescience]

I am perfectly capable of-

There is nothing wrong with me.

My question is on an evolutionary scale. Have there been benefits? Has your race advanced? Have you experienced drawbacks? Mental advancements?

[subtlescience]

There is nothing wrong with me. I do not need to meditate.

I wish to know if it has had effects on an evolutionary scale.

[with_discipline]

It would seem that you do.

That is entirely dependent on what factors you wish to consider. That my race continued at all is a benefit; we are telepaths - touch telepaths, specifically, but there is no excessive research into that side of our history. Technologically, we are quite advanced; we have been a space faring people for centuries. As I said, the planet has been largely at peace. If there are specific effects you are alluding to, I will endeavor to make them clear.

[subtlescience]

There, you see? That is what I wished to know.

What do you mean by "touch" telepaths? Why would you wish for space travel if your culture is at peace? Isn't one of the usual excuses for travel to expand a society which has grown too large?

[with_discipline]

Touch is necessary for telepathic connection. While Vulcans do not often consider themselves explorers, it would be illogical not to discover what is beyond our ken. There are countless Minshara-class planets in the universe, countless planets capable of sustaining carbon-based life and unnumbered others that may house forms of life with which we are unfamiliar. Constraining ourselves to our planets when we have other options would be nonsensical.

[subtlescience]

[He switches over to voice post. His tone sounds slightly less controlled than usual.]

You need merely touch someone and you create a telepathic link? This is morally acceptable in your culture? Are there restrictions? What if someone wishes not to have a link, but it is forced upon them? Do you have laws regarding it?

[with_discipline]

It is - complicated. [She hesitates a moment before continuing.] It is not so simple as engaging contact; there is a method of sorts to creating such a link. It has only recently lost the stigma it had for centuries with the Syrannite Revolution; the past six years have seen great changes in Vulcan society.

A forced mindmeld is as much a violation, if not more so, as forced sexual relations. The laws are new, but based on those regarding physical force.

[subtlescience]

What method?

[with_discipline]

It is difficult to explain without the experience. There is typically an utterance of ancient phrases, to guide the minds. I am no expert in this area; I have conducted mindmelds only rarely. But there is a general reaching of minds until the connection is made.